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Episodes II, III and IV

So I saw Episode III yesterday, and came home and (after the 24 finale) watched Episode IV. Wow. I'll never be able to watch the first three movies again without getting a chill. Because really, for the last thirty years we've cheered Luke and the gang as they fought the mean guy in the black helmet... but now we know who's inside that helmet, really, and how he got there -- the manipulation, the pain, the betrayal and all the rest.


- I wish they had been able to incorporate Han Solo into the movie somehow, like they did with Chewie. Obviously he would just be a little kid, but they could have had some random guy on a ship be his dad. Like, "Hey, Lt. Solo, get me some coffee!" Heehee. I want to know, though, how he and Chewie met up.

- The biggest discrepancy I saw in Episode IV was Obi-Wan's reaction when he saw R2. First he calls him "my little friend" which makes you wonder if he recognized him. But then he acts like he has no idea what R2 is talking about: "I don't remember ever owning any droids." Was he playing dumb, or just senile? *g*

- At the end of Episode III C3PO's memory is erased, but nothing is ever said about erasing R2's. Which explains why he was such a stubborn little cuss in episode IV, even when 3PO is telling him off. R2 knows all, sees all!

- The confrontation between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan at the end of Episode IV takes on a whole new dimension. The fight isn't just about "you're my old master and you're on my ship and I'm going to show you, pal". Obi-Wan effectively helped to create Darth Vader (by fighting him, maiming him and not killing him when he had the chance -- and when he should have), Vader still sees him as a bad guy, a betrayer of him personally as well as all of his ideals, and this final fight is about revenge.

- The lightsaber fight in Episode IV, by the way, seemed so lame after all the awesome fighting in Episodes II and III. Heh.

- Obviously the storm troopers in IV, V and VI are no longer the clones of Fett Sr. For one, they don't all have the same accent *g* Makes sense when you think about it. Even if a million or two clones were made prior to the war, a whole lot of them got killed. The Empire would need to replenish their stock. Either the cloners said "nope, we're not making you anymore, short people" or the Empire found it easier just to recruit your typical henchmen to do the job.

- I think they should have made Uncle Owen and his wife a little older in Episode III. Cause otherwise they aged really poorly in the twenty or so years since they took on Luke. He must have been a little hellion.

- Obi-Wan tells Luke that Owen thought Ani should have "stayed home and not gotten involved". Is he making that up to explain Owen's animosity towards Ani? Cause when Ani comes to Tatoonine in Episode II to find and then bury his mother's body, I can't see Owen telling him, "Hey bro, why don't you stay here with us, hang out, harvest some moisture, and not get involved in this whole messy thing". Uh, no.

- Speaking of which, in Episode IV we don't see those three headstones (one being Shmi's) that we saw in Episode II. What gives, Owen?

Okay, I think that's it for now. I want to watch Episode V before I go to work at 6p, so I'm sure I'll have some more commentary then.
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Was he playing dumb, or just senile?

But R2-D2 was always Anakin's droid, not Obi-Wans. And then R2-D2 and C3-P0 were given to Captain Antilles (nice little mention there).

You'd still have thought he recognized him though.

Even if a million or two clones were made prior to the war, a whole lot of them got killed.

That and they're all now in their mid to late 40s or 50s, which isn't the age you'd expect for a soldier, so they'd have to be replaced by recruits from all over the Empire. Remember it's 19 years from Ep III to Ep IV.

To me the biggest discrepancy was that in Ep VI, Leia says she remembers her mother, yet in Ep III Padme dies. How does that work.

That and the Death Star already being started. Are they trying to say it takes 20 years to complete, when the DS2 only takes a year or two?
But R2-D2 was always Anakin's droid, not Obi-Wans.

Well I know Obi-Wan didn't own own him, but his response still seems a little obtuse.

That and they're all now in their mid to late 40s or 50s

Assuming the cloners don't have some way to slow down the aging process the same way they sped it up to begin with.

To me the biggest discrepancy was that in Ep VI, Leia says she remembers her mother, yet in Ep III Padme dies.

Well I was getting there, I just wanted to watch Episode VI first. I thought about that too. I guess either Leia was refering to her adoptive mother (who DID raise her from a baby, so why wouldn't she consider her her real mother?) or the memories Leia has come more from the force (Leia's force-related abilities seem to be more mental, whereas Luke's are - in the beginning at least - mostly physical) or she's going by some other reference, either what other people remember of Padme and have told her, or pictures/video that she's seen.

As far as the Death Star... I guess you could say that with DS2 they knew what they were doing. Or put more resources into it. Or already were working on a backup. Or that there were delays in the construction of DS1 that weren't present with DS2. Etc, etc.
his response still seems a little obtuse.

I think either GL goofed, or didn't care enough to do it differently.

Assuming the cloners don't have some way to slow down the aging process the same way they sped it up to begin with.

It seems unlikely, but then you never know.

Or that there were delays in the construction of DS1 that weren't present with DS2. Etc, etc.

Seemed awfully well started to me, but I guess anything is possible.

I wonder how many Extended Universe books will pop up that cover the period between the two movies.
I think either GL goofed, or didn't care enough to do it differently.

Well that's the easy answer. I prefer to go for a more creative approach ;)

It seems unlikely, but then you never know.

Come on, they're clones. Anything is possible ;)

Seemed awfully well started to me, but I guess anything is possible.

You know, the first version of a new car model always has its kinks. Might go for Death Stars too ;)

I wonder how many Extended Universe books will pop up that cover the period between the two movies.

You know, every time I watch these movies I start thinking about reading the books. Have you read them? Are they good?
You know, every time I watch these movies I start thinking about reading the books. Have you read them? Are they good?

Some of the extended universe ones are good, and I really liked the books better than the movies for the newer movies.
I most definitely highly recommend the Timothy Zahn trilogy because to me, he is the BEST Star Wars author there is. I also enjoyed The Truce at Bakura by Kathy Tyers, which takes place immediately following RoTJ. I have read several other of the books but they're the ones who come to mind right now!
Timothy Zahn and Kevin J. Anderson wrote some good ones based on the original trilogy, and I also liked "The Courtship of Princess Leia" by Dave Wolverton. I don't know of any others beyond those since the books started coming out faster than I could keep up, but I do like the novelizations of the most recent movies, they certainly give a lot more to the story.
Have you read them? Are they good?

I own about 20 odd books, and they vary a lot in how good they are.

The ones to start with, and probably some of the best ones, are those by Timothy Zahn. His original trilogy were the first, I think, SW Extended Universe books - Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command. They are set 5 years after RotJ. He's also written two more books, Spectre of the Past, and Vision of the Future, which are set 20 years after RotJ. (I think 20 anyway.)

I liked the X-Wing series by Michael Stackpole, primarily because they don't focus on main characters (except for Wedge if you remember him), but are still in the Universe.

I'll have a look at home and see which ones I'd recommend. Some do follow on from others by different authors, while others are more stand alone.

Someone that might be worth asking is starbuck92, though she's not on your flist, because I know she is much more heavily into the books than I am. :)
The ones by Aaron Allston always top my list as well. Wraith Squadron kicks some serious ass, and he brings them back later in a non-Xwing EU book as well.
I actually went to B&N yesterday looking for the Heir trilogy books... they had the 2nd and 3rd, but not the 1st, so I think I'll be forced to go to half.com *g*

However, I did get The Courtship -- ship, yay!