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Fic Awards A-go-go!

Firstly, the categories for the SG-1 Fan Fiction Awards have been declared. Considering it's after 2am, I might feel differently about them tomorrow, but right now I'm just kinda shaking my head.

Looking at gen... Weird enough that there is a specific category for episode fixits (which is different than just regular episode fic, the difference being whether or not canon gets violated <-- can of big old worms), but there's a specific category for Meridian fixits: "(eg. anything written to de-glow Daniel and/or eliminate Jonas)". Isn't that special?

(I sure hope in the 2004 awards, if there is such an animal, there is a seperate category for fixit fic regarding whichever episode Daniel comes back in. Because right now I'm so into writing a fic where the deglowing process goes haywire and Daniel descends as either a French poodle or a scorch mark on the asphalt. But that could be the diet Coke talking.)

Then of course you have your separate team-fic categories: "Original Team" and "Season Six Team". *feels ill*

Meandering over to the ship categories... again with the division between SJ stories and 'other ship' stories, which was to be expected. Meridian fixits here, too.

And here's the oddest bit... Best Pairing-Focused Story, with subcategories either (a) between two minor characters, (b) a minor character and a member of SG-1, or (c) two members of SG-1-- as long as they aren't Sam and Jack? Whuh? How is this different than Best Romantic Story (Other pairings) or Overall Best Ship Story (Other pairings)? Are non-SJ ship stories really so shafted that they need the same categories simply restated different ways?

*scratches head*

You know, it's not that I'm fundementally offended by any of this... well, maybe by the Meridian category, but that's to be expected. It's just that, to me, it makes about as much sense as holding two Presidental Elections: one for the Republicans and Democrats to duke it out, and the other for everyone else. Because, you know, it's a two party system and almost everyone votes either GOP or Dem and it's just not fair to the other parties who don't have a chance to win.

On a happier note, the Sam/Jack fanfic awards are open for voting here. :)
Ball of Mass Confusion
Were they trying to simplify these categories, cause to tell you the truth this is just getting more and more confusing. Are there enough pairings for everyone here?

I really don't get why Meridian stories get special attention. I guess if you're a Daniel fan and write about his death, you get a special place in fic writer heaven. *shrugs*

And you know after taking the time last year to vote and seeing what ending up winning in the "gen" categories, I've decided it's just not worth it.
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Were they trying to simplify these categories, cause to tell you the truth this is just getting more and more confusing. Are there enough pairings for everyone here?

Well I know when we were organizing the SJFAs, we ended up cutting categories in order to simplify. But I guess when you have such a big group working on it, you can afford to have categories like "Best Story Written About an Early-Third Season Episode by People Named Sven" or "Best Story Written on a Wednesday Night Under a Quarter-Full Moon" ;)

I really don't get why Meridian stories get special attention. I guess if you're a Daniel fan and write about his death, you get a special place in fic writer heaven. *shrugs*

I know when the notion came up on the discussion list about it, the rationale was that 'well, there was a lot of fic written about Meridian!'. Gee, there was a lot of fic written about Divide and Conquer, too, and a hell of a lot written about 100 Days, but neither of those prominently featured Daniel, so they don't get their own category. Or maybe it was just that no shippers were selfish enough to request such a thing.

And you know after taking the time last year to vote and seeing what ending up winning in the "gen" categories, I've decided it's just not worth it.

Yeah, the gen results have been a little ridiculous, haven't they
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Well I know when we were organizing the SJFAs, we ended up cutting categories in order to simplify. But I guess when you have such a big group working on it, you can afford to have categories like "Best Story Written About an Early-Third Season Episode by People Named Sven" or "Best Story Written on a Wednesday Night Under a Quarter-Full Moon" ;)

LOL. Well I guess if you're going to complicate things, might as well do it right.

I know when the notion came up on the discussion list about it, the rationale was that 'well, there was a lot of fic written about Meridian!'. Gee, there was a lot of fic written about Divide and Conquer, too, and a hell of a lot written about 100 Days, but neither of those prominently featured Daniel, so they don't get their own category. Or maybe it was just that no shippers were selfish enough to request such a thing.

Shippers selfish? Of course not. I tell myself all the time, I wish I was as unselfish as shippers. *ducks* Sure there's more of it, but does that automatically make it better then other fic? Anyways, I still don't get why one should get rewarded for finding what TPTB did objectionable? Might as well just send your resume to MGM and dust off the mantlepiece for the Emmy. sheesh

Yeah, the gen results have been a little ridiculous, haven't they

Ya think?
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Shippers selfish? Of course not. I tell myself all the time, I wish I was as unselfish as shippers. *ducks*

I didn't say shippers weren't selfish... I just implied we weren't selfish *enough* to deserve that kind of special treatment ;)

Sure there's more of it, but does that automatically make it better then other fic?

Not really. I guess statistically there's a chance there could be a lot of good post-Merid fic, just as there statistically could be a lot of bad post-Merid fic. God knows some of the 100 Days stuff that was posted was just rancid.

Anyways, I still don't get why one should get rewarded for finding what TPTB did objectionable? Might as well just send your resume to MGM and dust off the mantlepiece for the Emmy. sheesh

Well we knew that some gen writers have ego issues... this proves it *g* "Objectionable" really is poor word choice, if nothing else. Then again, I've never had my delicate sensibilities offended by an episode to such a degree that a mere episode tag would not suffice.. Well, okay, I kind of did it once, but it was to make a point ;)
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(Anonymous)
First, I'd like to preface my comments with a few disclaimers. One, I'm not used to this format so if I make any faux pas, I apologize in advance. I only heard about this post from someone else so it's entirely possible that I won't even find my way back, so please email me if you want to respond. Two, I'm half asleep, so if this isn't completely coherent, then apologies again. Three, I'm speaking on my own behalf and you shouldn't ascribe any comments made to the entirety of the SG-1 Awards Team (unless they all happen to agree with me later *g*).

Now, as a member of the Awards Team I'd like to clarify a few points.

The numerous pairings are to give every sub-fandom (if that's a term *g*) an opportunity. No one says you have to nominate or vote in every one; I only participate in the Sam/Jack categories myself. Are they really that confusing? If you have any suggestions then please contact the team (SG1-Awards@yahoogroups.com); these categories are not yet final and are still up for debate.

The Meridian-inspired category (which, I want to point out, is this year only) is not to exalt the Daniel fics but instead to give everyone *else* a fair chance. As you've pointed out, Daniel-centric fics dominated the Gen categories the past two years and this is the team's way of trying to prevent that from happening again. The sheer number of fics generated by this ep practically guarantees that a Daniel fic will win and we want to keep that from happening. As for the argument that eps such as D&C or 100 Days also inspired a lot of fic, one of our team has done the math and discovered that there's 49% more Meridian-based fic than the next ep-based fic.

The separation of teams into "Original Team" and "Season Six Team" (and believe me, there was a *lot* of discussion over that one) is to give S6-based eps a fair chance. Look at the fandom. Do you seriously expect any fic with Jonas as a main character to have a shot at winning?

As for the election analogy -- we're not looking for a single winner. We're trying to honour as many authors as possible and that can only happen by giving those who write lesser-celebrated pairings their own category. Given the size of the Sam/Jack fandom, would a Sam/Other story really stand much of a chance? Or even Daniel/Janet?

Personally, I'm a 'shipper. There are a few 'shippers on the team this year. We're not Daniel centric and we don't all worship him; frankly I wish he weren't coming back for S7. What we're doing is for the benefit of the fandom as a whole and an attempt to keep the Awards fair. If you don't like how they're being run, I have only two suggestions for you:
1) join the Awards Discussion list on yahoogroups (SG1Awards-Discussion-subscribe@yahoogroups.com) so that you can offer your opinions on how we can improve; or
2) don't participate in the Awards. We're doing this as a service; no one's forcing you to participate.

So please, don't run us down because you don't agree with what's there. Take the time to learn more about what we're doing or to give your own input instead of judging us. We're trying our best.

Remember, these are my views only. Don't hold the rest of the Awards Team to anything I've said.

Shane Vansen
the_fourth_dimension@hotmail.com
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Well I think you meant this post to go to Alli, but since it went to me I'd like to make one comment.

Thanks for clarifying the separate category things, but I still don't agree with it. And really, I'm not sure why everyone should have to agree with all the categories. Not everyone is going to be happy no matter what happens. And really, this was just a comment on a journal and granted while not very flattering, it was not a rallying cry to run the Awards Team out of Dodge. *g*
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(Anonymous)
I did actually start out responding to your post, but it kind of snowballed from there. :)

Of course no one's going to agree with everything, and I realize that it's just a comment in a journal, but it rubbed me the wrong way to see paragraphs and paragraphs putting down what we're working hard on. If I'd slept on it I probably wouldn't have even bothered to post, but it was a knee-jerk reaction. I tend to take things personally when I shouldn't. *g* So don't take my rants seriously except for one thing: we really are just trying to do the best we can.

Shane
:)
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Hi Shane, thanks for stopping by :)

Trust me, I understand the reasons behind the changes, I just don't agree with them *shrugs* I think there's a point where you subdivide stories so far down that the actual importance or meaning of receiving the award is diminished. Sure, it's a nice graphic to put on your site and a warm fuzzy, but when the conditions have been artificially altered specifically to achieve such a result... I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm on the discussion list and everything, but, well... it's kind of obvious that this isn't open to discussion. So I say my bit here, and when the time comes I'll decide then whether or not to take part :)

Oh, and 10-4 on the Smoke & Mirrors thing -- I can't wait for PL!
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(Anonymous)
I'm sorry that you feel that the importance of an award is diminished, but really (and I hope the rest of the Awards team doesn't hate me for this *g*) it *is* just an internet award. It's a thank you and an ego boost but has no bearing on RL, whether you win out over everyone who ever wrote an A/A story or only over the ones who wrote a Sam/Jack A/A story. It doesn't even carry any weight outside the particular fandom. So the competition may not be quite as stringent, but it's still nice to win. But that's just me and of course many, many people will probably disagree. *g*

As for things being open to discussion, IIRC there are 13 of us on the team this year and we debate every suggestion; majority wins. So if an idea is put forth that most of us agree is a good one, a change will take place. So throw in an idea if you have it. No, it might not come to anything, but then again it might.

Like I said, I took it personally and my post was an instant response. No offense was meant I don't mean to imply that you're not all allowed a differing opinion on the matter. I just hate to see the hard work of so many people being derided. :) We're not even into the difficult stuff yet and already I can tell it's going to be very, very hectic.

Thanks to listening to my rambles, folks!

Shane
:)
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I just hate to see the hard work of so many people being derided. :) We're not even into the difficult stuff yet and already I can tell it's going to be very, very hectic.

Not to sound harsh... but welcome to multi-genre fandom dealings ;) I know we have it relatively easy with the SJFAs -- it's just ship stories, and shippers are a very laid-back sort to begin with. We didn't get so much as one comment about the categories we sacked this year, which makes us happy ;)

As far as the importance of the awards... I don't know, I guess when I see so much trouble gone to something like this that they should mean something. Yet every year they seem to edge closer and closer to simply handing out kudos to everyone who writes, and the continued subdivision... well, it smacks of 'political correctness', which is something I'm pet-peevey about.

It comes down to a philosophical difference about the meaning of 'fair', and you know how those can be *g* I have to say, though, for a knee-jerk reaction, yours was very level-headed :).
Yes, I'm replying to myself...
Another thing I found curious:

Best Crossover Story
Stories that feature characters from a fandom other than Stargate.

Hmm. Should that not be "Stories that feature characters from a SHOW other than Stargate?" I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was generally the shows that spawned the characters and not the fandom (disregarding those cases when fandom tweaks the canon characters so badly that there is no resemblance between the two).

Gah. You know, I'm in such a mood right now. I'll probably regret my 'tude in the morning. Maybe...
Okay, that's weird. I posted a comment earlier, but it disappeared. o_O

Because right now I'm so into writing a fic where the deglowing process goes haywire and Daniel descends as either a French poodle or a scorch mark on the asphalt. But that could be the diet Coke talking.

*hands Alli another diet Coke* Dare you to :)
Hey all!
(Anonymous)
Just a quick comment about the fandom vs. show thing... by using the term fandom, we can cover off things like comics and books etc. etc. as well.

But thanks for the suggestion anyway - by posting the provisional categories and opening up the floor to suggestions (perhaps easier to find over at the awards discussion list, mind) we can get this awards thing better and better each time.

Vicky
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