At least he went to Vietnam, instead of having daddy buy him a position in the National Guard, for which he may, or may not, have shown up for.
Yes, he went to Vietnam for 4 whole months, then came back, possiblly threw away medals (or was it ribbons?), and put himself in the limelight by calling his comrades war criminals. My hero.
And 'dubya is my hero for running around in a Cigarette Boat (that's a style, not a brand) off Kenebunkport, doing drugs (remember he would only commit to saying he had not done drugs in the "last 7 years" - what sort of a bizarre comment is that anyway?), and having a big party, while US troops were going into Kuwait in 1991.

I'm not saying Kerry is my hero in the slightest, but at least he actually served in Vietnam - even if only for 4 months.
This is starting to sound like the debates on Hannity and Colmes. Hannity asks the Dem d'jour something about Kerry's record, and the Dem goes off on a rant about Bush.
It works both ways, as I'm sure the Republican d'jour goes off on a rant about Kerry in a similar manner. I think it's safe to say that there are going to be a lot of things that people can find wrong with either candidate.

I personally have issues with both of them. Can I get another choice?
From the reading I've done, no one bought anything, And the people who served with Bush are supporting him.

That was an interesting article, and not even by Fox News. Does the fact that this is bipartisan make a difference to you?
If true, it's certainly interesting. However, I've seen no mention of this to date in the mainstream press - and they're not all pro-Democrat, despite anything Ms. allisnow may say.

As for dodging the draft by joining the National Guard, I think that's something both Bush and Clinton are guilty of having done.
If true, it's certainly interesting. However, I've seen no mention of this to date in the mainstream press

*dryly* Gee, color me shocked.

As for dodging the draft by joining the National Guard, I think that's something both Bush and Clinton are guilty of having done.

Say what? AFAIK, Clinton never joined the military in any capacity -- his contribution to the war was to go overseas and demonstrate against his country on foreign soil.
AFAIK, Clinton never joined the military in any capacity

My mistake.

However, he did receive a draft notice while at the University of Arkansas Law School in 1969, and then enrolled in the ROTC, but was never actually called up as his draft number for that year was very high.

IIRC, it was Gore that served in Vietnam.
However, I've seen no mention of this to date in the mainstream press

I saw a snippit about it on a non-fox channel this afternoon. Of course, they didn't give it a lot of press because they were too busy bashing Bush.

I guess it just looks like most media outlets are opposed to Bush as a person, as a religious person, instead of looking at his record as a leader.
it just looks like most media outlets are opposed to Bush as a person, as a religious person, instead of looking at his record as a leader.

Well, from a religions perspective I'm on the same page as 'dubya, so I have to say that I'm judging him based on his policies.

I think he misrepresented the reasons for invading Iraq - even though the removal of Saddam Hussein was not a bad thing. I think there were no plans for how to handle the situation in Iraq once Hussein was defeated, and it's left the US in one heck of a mess.

I think his economic policies and tax cuts really only benefit you if you earn over $200,000 a year. I think his tax cuts, while perhaps somewhat effective in the short term, will seriously hurt the economy in the long term as there is nothing to pay for them with. I think his push to get rid of the estate tax is really only for his rich cronies - and interestingly the two richest men in America both are against abolishing the estate tax! (William Henry Gates III and Warren Buffet)

None of these things say anything against his religious principles.
I guess I've always believed in trickle-down economics -- that what's good for the upper echilons will help everyone else. I also see that families I know (none of them rich) are appreciating the lower taxes. Regan showed us that lowering taxes will eventually help the economy. If people can keep more of their money, it makes the situation better for the people. If it forces the government to make cuts, I don't see that as a bad thing.

The aftermath of war is never easy, but I don't think that changing leaders at this point could make things better.
Regan showed us that lowering taxes will eventually help the economy.

I don't remember Clinton lowering taxes, and the economy seemed to do pretty well during his Presidency.

If it forces the government to make cuts, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Problem is that while Bush is cutting taxes, he's also increasing spending - hence massive deficits, a weakening US dollar (which results in a significantly worse trade deficit), and no way of getting a balanced budget back without increasing taxes.

I don't think that changing leaders at this point could make things better.

OTOH, I don't know that it will necessarily make things any worse, given how haphazard the policy seems to have been to date.
I don't remember Clinton lowering taxes, and the economy seemed to do pretty well during his Presidency.

That's because the effects of economic policy aren't instantaneous.

And as far as the tax things go... studies have shown that tax breaks can actually increase tax revenue for the government, because when people have more money they're more likely to spend more money -- just think, if a 'rich' person has more dough, he or she would be more likely to buy a house or boat or car or whatnot... and all those come with taxes that go to the state and federal government.
All I know is I wouldn't have wanted to go fight a war with him...and is it bad that the thing that caught my eye the most in the article was the name O'Neill (with 2 L's I might add)
and is it bad that the thing that caught my eye the most in the article was the name O'Neill (with 2 L's I might add)

Nah, not in the least :)