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Another something special

***Warning Will Robinson... rantage ahead...***

I think they're still discussing this over on the awards list, but seeing as how I'm in the minority and don't have the energy nor the inclination to talk myself blue in the face over there... I'll do it over here *eg*

An awards category - nay, multiple categories - specifically for Meridian fix-it fic. Ye god.

Apparently Meridian is special, seeing how as, unlike any other episode, it hath impacted fic writers from all walks of life (slashers, genners, and all three Janet/Daniel shippers -- *grins and runs from Wrath of Sue*).

Now okay. Meridian is the only episode concerning a main character's flittering off like a radioactive squid. This is true. But from what I understand of the term 'fix-it fic', we're not talking about a category dealing with stories exploring the episode (like my fic, Between the Dark and the Daylight. Yeah, I'm shameless, but it's my LJ *g*). We're talking about fics from people who didn't like how the episode went and so rewrote it.

This is very common. It's called 'episode based fic'. And maybe there's been a lot of it for Meridian; I don't know. I read fic from SJers and good gen writers, who don't obsess over Meridian or His Radioactive Squidliness. But for the sake of argument, say there is. There have been other episodes that have generated a lot of fic... shouldn't they all get their own categories? If we're talking about volume, or popularity, I can rattle off a handful of episodes that are special enough.

Really, let's just call it what it is... a Daniel Tribute category. And all the little prolific obsessives can come nominate their most favoritist stories where Daniel survives thanks to his own great goodness and Jonas dies a horrible death while the other members of SG1 (Jackums, the black guy and the blonde chick) stand around sporadically touching Daniel to remind themselves of his existence and great goodness.

And then we can make it so the winning stories for Best Jack-Best Sam-Best Teal'c-Best Jonas fic are actually stories about Daniel. But wait, we've already done that.
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His Radioactive Squidliness

You have coined yet another new term in the Stargate fandom. *bows before Alli* Well done ;)

And I'm in total agreement. Well, I would be if I went near the awards thing. Which I don't. But...yes. You know what I mean.

*goes all Oma Desala and squiddles off to tinker with her LJ icons*
An awards category - nay, multiple categories - specifically for Meridian fix-it fic.

Fix-its? No. That may be what people on the list think we're considering, but we're not. No new category we come up with is going to be that specific, I promise you.

But letting people talk about it the way they want to is the only way of getting an honest view of it.

Really, let's just call it what it is... a Daniel Tribute category.

See, if you give up on the list and don't suggest that there none of the team can "officially" pay attention to it. Including me.
Fix-its? No. That may be what people on the list think we're considering, but we're not. No new category we come up with is going to be that specific, I promise you.

I don't think I said it was what you were considering... I said it was what the topic was over on the list and what my reaction was to it: Ye gods. *g*

See, if you give up on the list and don't suggest that there none of the team can "officially" pay attention to it. Including me.

Hey, I don't consider myself too good for "unofficial" attention. I just don't care to get into a big old discussion onlist only to be disappointed yet again. It's more fun over here where I can actually get some agreement
LOL. Hun, I basically agree with everything you've said... I liked Daniel OK, but he never did anything for me, I wasn't saddened by his leaving (although I must say DJ's departure was, well, 'greased' by the rudeness of his actor and too many of his fans) and I'm enjoying S6 hugely, in part because of the hotness that is Jonas ;)

However. Even if we were living in an alternate reality where AT or RDA had a hissy fit instead of FH, I would still think it's pretty OTT to expect a category of fanfic specifically to bring their characters back (and hideously disfigure their replacements... or is that part optional?) But hey, we're talking about people who expect special treatment from professionals, television execs, CEOs of major corporations... why are we surprised that they expect special treatment from the fandom?

Oh... watch out everyone. I worked on a good rant about categorization during my Spanish class; I just need to dig it out of my notes. Mwahahah
Rant away, dahling ;)

Just to play devil's advocate (denialites' advocate? bleh *g*) I can tell you what they'd say... that Daniel is special because he's the only main character not still on the show. Which is true, and I said that in my initial post and everything. I just... don't... really... care. They're more than welcome to make up their own Daniel Jackson Memorial Fanfiction Awards. I would be perfectly perfectly happy for them to do that. I just don't want to see the SG1 Awards turn into the DJMFA ;)

Cause say it with me now... 'Stargate does not revolve around His Squidliness'.

As for Jonas bashing actually having some intelligent reasoning behind it -- tis a vain hope, me dear *bg
As for the awards, I find it worrying that there are enough ecentric Daniel fans out there to make a caterogry like this even a slight possibility...

You know, I said exactly the same thing about Sam/Jack fics when we first started the Awards back in 2001.

The Awards are run on two major principles: to serve the entire fandom, which unfortunately includes those we think must be watching some totally different show, and to offer, as far as possible, a level playing field for all candidates going in.

You might think of it in that light, actually - if we do offer a Meridian category, it will be as much to keep those fics from swamping the rest of the Awards, as to please the SDJ crowd.

Or would it be better to leave the lists as they are, and let Meridian-fixes win in every single category?
You know, I said exactly the same thing about Sam/Jack fics when we first started the Awards back in 2001.

Oh yeah. I totally see the similarities there.

Or would it be better to leave the lists as they are, and let Meridian-fixes win in every single category?

Hmm... Daniel stories overrunning everything, namely the gen categories... and this would be different from the last two years how?
Or would it be better to leave the lists as they are, and let Meridian-fixes win in every single category?

So, basically you're intimating now that the Meridian-fixes are gonna win no matter what - regardless of whether they have their own category or not. Question: are we even going to ATTEMPT the whole awards process this year (nominating, voting, etc), or are we just gonna skip straight to the handing-out-all-awards-to-SDJers part?

No, what I'm saying is that the Awards are a democratic process, and whether I like it or not, the people who are going to vote for that particular kind of fic are in the (vocal) majority.

The team do everything we can to level the playing field. Yep, Daniel fics have dominated in the past. That's because ultimately more people vote for those stories. Based on that, and based on my own observations of the fandom over the past year, unless SDJ decided to boycott the Awards for some reason, SDJ is likely to dominate again.

So all we can do is try to level it out. The rest is really up to the rest of the fans. Ultimately, the team don't control the Awards. If you don't like the results, don't blame the team.
While I'm ranting (again) something that really bugs me, is people who will sit there and make fun of the 6th series and Jonas without bothering to actually watch it.

It reminds me of the whole X-Files thing, after David Duchovny scaled down his involvement, and Robert Patrick was brought in.

The fandom was awash with people yelling about how the show would never be watchable without DD, and bashing the character of Doggett before he'd even arrived on the show.

Then when the new season actually started, lists were full of people saying how awful the DD-less episodes were, but if you were to ask them what was wrong with them, they would have to admit that they hadn't even watched the new eps. "I've never seen Doggett, but he's not Mulder so he must be bad."

Admittedly, the last couple of seasons of the X-Files were pretty bad, but that doesn't change the fact that people should watch the show and judge it on its merits, or lack thereof, rather than blindly condemning people.

In case you can't tell, it annoys me.
But you know, the thing of it is... I was a part of XF fandom when that all happened. I wasn't nearly as out among the rabble as I am in SG fandom, pretty much stayed on certain lists, but I never personally saw as much nastiness levelled towards RP as has been hurled at poor CN.

Plus, there's a big difference between MS on SG and DD on XF. DD was, you know, kind of one of the two leads

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Okay, I personally think that's going overboard.

Daniel was a great character. Unfortunately for him, his actor is a bit of a DramaQueen and he attracts the most fanatical followers in the fandom. (Ai-yah! We are alliterative today!) (yes, that was very bad, I know)

Gimme Daniel without MS and his Denialite and ToeSucking fans (the Danielites can stay, some of them actually possess a redeeming sense of humor and an ability to laugh at themselves), bring down the SDJ board, persuade the Drama Queens to actually leave the fandom (and preferably throw themselves off the most convenient cliff close by - I can think of several if they can't find one to hand) and I'm a happy camper.

And to be perfectly correct...Daniel aten't dead.
"It's life, Jack, but not as we know it..."

A Stargate Fan's Prayer
"Our Father who art in control of the ISP networks,
hallowed be your name.
The SDJ site come down, please let it stay down
and never let it get back online again!
Give us today the news about Season Seven and forgive us for being impatient!
For the power to smite down the ill-formulated and illogical arguments of the SDJ is yours and you have bestowed it on us,
now and forevermore.
Amen!"

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