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Oh please

Had to say my own piece on this because... well, because otherwise I'll have to start doing my laundry.

Suz, no matter what any of the half-witted awards people say, you didn't 'ballot-stuff'. People who voted for Suz, neither did you. I know you guys don't need to hear this, but I was so amazed when I heard it that I needed to say it for my own sake. Incredible. Next year, there will no doubt be a rule that you must vote for a certain percentage of a category's applicants in order to not be considered a cheater. Either that, or it'll be a rule that says you're not allowed to vote for someone on the basis of name recognition, and if you're suspected of such a atrocity the said story will be disqualified.

Give me a f***ing break. Geine, sweetie, don't waste your time.
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But I guess that's better than bad old shippers trying to cheat out a win in Slash! ;)

Bah.

1. Like she (or we) were cheating.
2. Like any of the slash authors would ... let's see, how will I put this... "lower themselves" to write in another catagory.

I think the story that Suz wrote was good. It was slash, yes, but dammit, who made the rule that if you are considered one group or another you have to STAY in that group?? How narrow-minded.

Heh. I dare the slash writers to write ship. Let's see how they do.

Oh, btw....doesn't a story need 3 people to nom it to be on the awards list?
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How narrow-minded.

Ooh, Kelly, you mean old shipper ;)

No idea about the nominations thing. Ask Denise.
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Oh, btw....doesn't a story need 3 people to nom it to be on the awards list?

No. It needs one.
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1. Like she (or we) were cheating.

I have never said Suz was cheating. I said there was ballot stuffing by individuals other than Suz on behalf of her slash stories. This happens to be the truth. You don't like it? Tough.

I dare the slash writers to write ship. Let's see how they do.

Speaking as a slash writer...I have written ship. And got a nomination for it. But I did not see slash fen ballot stuffing for my story. And I would have disqualified the nomination if that did happen.

The rules apply to everyone. If you don't like 'em, don't play.
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I have never said Suz was cheating.

No, but you insinuated it. At this stage of the game, same difference. I'll say again...it didn't make any difference one way or the other in the vote, so why did you bother to bring it up at all?

*shrugs* There wasn't any concentrated, organized effort to vote for one person or another. If you don't believe it, fine. Just happens to be the truth.
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I'll say again...it didn't make any difference one way or the other in the vote, so why did you bother to bring it up at all?

I have already answered that three times. Let's try again.

I brought it up because if what happened was an attempt to 'help' Suz win, her so-called supporters need to know that they broke the rules and that their 'help' could have gotten her banned. Ballot stuffing on someone's behalf is not doing them a favour.
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[Ballot stuffing on someone's behalf is not doing them a favour]

With all due respect, I think your definition of ballot-stuffing, in this case, is a little over the top.
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I have never said Suz was cheating. I said there was ballot stuffing by individuals other than Suz on behalf of her slash stories. This happens to be the truth. You don't like it? Tough.


Then why are you not singling those individuals online instead of Suz? The idea of her "promoting" her stories or insisting that folks vote for them is laughable.

Heck, I thought to myself when voting in the slash category, "Hey, I'd better try and remember to look in the "other" category because I loved some of Suz's slash fics" and then, after voting for some of the handful of fics I'd read and having several categories where I didn't choose a fic, submitted my votes and THEN realized that I'd forgotten the categories where her stories were.

Careless of me, wasn't it?

I can understand your frustration with such a situation as ballot-stuffing. But instead of going after the folks who did it, you're pushing Suz into the spotlight for some negative publicity.

And that really stinks.
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Then why are you not singling those individuals online instead of Suz?

Because I can't. Votes are confidential.

The idea of her "promoting" her stories or insisting that folks vote for them is laughable.

I'm aware of it. And I've said so. Geez.

For the fifth time...

I brought it up because if what happened was an attempt to 'help' Suz win, her so-called supporters need to know that they broke the rules and that their 'help' could have gotten her banned. Ballot stuffing on someone's behalf is not doing them a favour.

you're pushing Suz into the spotlight for some negative publicity.

I made a brief comment in my LJ. The people pushing this into the spotlight are those who have insisted on discussing it elsewhere. There are not may people who read my journal. But there are a *lot* who read this one.
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Ballot stuffing on someone's behalf is not doing them a favour.

Ok. I'm curious, then, as to your definition of ballot-stuffing. Because I went and looked at the original entry on your LJ, and it came across to me that you think voting only for stories one likes in certain categories is one form of ballot-stuffing.

I didn't vote in every category in slash, but I do read a fair number of slash stories each year. Aside from a few pairings that aren't widely written (such as pairings with Jonas in them) I don't play in slash fandom, and I'm sure some folks would think I've never read slash in my life because I don't write it. Am I not fen-y enough to be voting, in that case?

What's next? We register fans with barcodes and say they can only vote in sections X, Y, or Z?

made a brief comment in my LJ. The people pushing this into the spotlight are those who have insisted on discussing it elsewhere. There are not may people who read my journal. But there are a *lot* who read this one.

You're the one who mentioned it in the first place. By now, you should be aware how things posted on the internet have a way of actually being read from time to time. I don't believe you're going to be able to take a pass from accepting responsibility on this one.
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I said there was ballot stuffing by individuals other than Suz on behalf of her slash stories.

Ballot stuffing as in, people coming up with sockpuppet emails and voting multiple times for her stories? Or the make-believe definition -- ballot stuffing as in people voting for Suz and only Suz because Suz's stories were the only slash fic they like?