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Ugh...

No offense to any of my esteemed LJ-friendees, but the building where my Spanish class is held has become like anti-U.S. central over the weekend. Yech. I feel dirty.

Off to the mall. Hoping to find a nice little flag lapel pin to repell the forces of darkness ;)
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hey there :)

not an offense...It does happen that to myself with all the people at school, I'm the weird there...I just walk off when they start talking or I would say some truths and people hate to hear that (and eck, sadly I care for my health ;)). Need help to comme up with pro-war comments in spanish? if needed just ask I can translate....geee...we could make it easier (for me, that's it:P) and speak in spanish *hehe* what do you think??;)
geee...we could make it easier (for me, that's it:P) and speak in spanish *hehe* what do you think??;)

Ooooh no no no. Trust me, it would take me a month just to reply to you, and even then I doubt you would be able to read it.
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Ooooh no no no. Trust me, it would take me a month just to reply to you, and even then I doubt you would be able to read it.

oh for crying out loud! I'm giving you a great opportunity to practice a foreign language and you saying 'no'? *shakes head* *hehe*

it will be good for your spanish and a good change for me ;p or I could write you always in spanish *evilgrin* I'm nice if not I could write in catalan ;) or french :p

just joking ;) or not *beg*
Well, I might be able to understand what you wrote, but writing back? I'm only in my second semester, cut me a break! ;)
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second semester....well I don't know how much you do in a semester ;) you have to know the basics already!!!!!! that's for sure *g*
Re: Me, too...
Course, it doesn't help that I'm living right outside the nation's capital, magnet for every freak in existence.

Ah... maybe the east coast freak magnet. But I'm within an hour or so of SF, which is the west coast freak magnet.

I have a sign on my window that reads 'support president bush & our troops' (http://www.supportpresidentbush.net/) on my window, and the usual idiots have shouted their usual moronic comments (mainly on the weekends when they're stoned, no doubt). I have one for my car, too, the back window, but I take it down when it's parked in the school lot. I don't trust some dumbass to not express their free speech on my paint job.

Thankfully, I've seen more and more windows around campus with flags and signs and 'God Bless America's (and the only reason that horrible statement of religion has been allowed, I imagine, is because UOP is a private school that was founded by Methodists.) Just coming back into the school from Mervyns and there was a VW Bug coming the other way... it had two of those clip-on-window flags, one on each side. And they were huge flags, too, especially considering how small the car was! I gave the driver a little wave as we passed
I really shouldn't have to point this out to you...
But there's a difference between disagreeing with Bush's decision to start a war and being against one's country. Indeed, it is the right to speak one's opinion, even when it does not coincide with that of the current administration, that is one of this country's greatest strengths.
No, you don't
Indeed, it is the right to speak one's opinion, even when it does not coincide with that of the current administration, that is one of this country's greatest strengths.

When did I say otherwise?

And when I said anti-U.S., I meant anti-U.S. You'll have to trust me on this one, AC, seeing as how I have been in this building and you have not. This building houses the offices/classes for many of the modern language, gender/racial and international studies, and even before 9/11 flyers stating the general evilness of America were fairly common.

Please don't try to twist my words
ah, we have clarification. Good.
My mistake. In watching television, listening to the radio, and reading the newspaper of late, I've found a great many people willing to be quoted on their opinion that anti-war people exercising their right to free speech are anti-American. After hearing it about a hundred times, it tends to become a bit numbing.

You can't imagine how glad I am to read that you don't support that mindset. It's been quite rare of late to find folks who support Bush's war who are also willing to let those with opposing viewpoints have their say.
Re: ah, we have clarification. Good.
It's been quite rare of late to find folks who support Bush's war who are also willing to let those with opposing viewpoints have their say.

I know plenty of such people.

Let them have their say? What is this 'let'? What exactly would people do to stop them? Just because we disagree with the anti-war side doesn't mean we think they should all be rounded up into paddywagons. Nor does it mean that we're not going to respond with our own opinions.
Re: ah, we have clarification. Good.
Let them have their say? What is this 'let'? What exactly would people do to stop them? Just because we disagree with the anti-war side doesn't mean we think they should all be rounded up into paddywagons. Nor does it mean that we're not going to respond with our own opinions.

You know, I've been so appalled by the many people saying that those with opposing viewpoints on the war shouldn't express their opinions, I haven't even asked what their preferred methods of dealing with such things would be. Quite frankly, I'm afraid to ask. If they're such big fans of war, maybe they'd just want to pull out a gun and shoot me.

When Ari Fleischer (probably misspelled his name there) stated that people needed to watch what they were saying, that indicated to me that we have folks in the administration who aren't too keen on hearing anything from the opposition. Ashcroft has also had some hair-raising quotes of late -- must look them up later.

The point is, while I'm rather certain that you aren't going to support rounding up those of opposing viewpoints and locking them away, some statements from people within the Bush administration indicate they'd just love the opportunity to do so.

I hope that helps explain why I'm rather wary of those beating the war drums these days.
Re: ah, we have clarification. Good.
If they're such big fans of war, maybe they'd just want to pull out a gun and shoot me.

Oh please. Yes, AC. Everyone supporting the war are actually murderers and would like nothing better than to knock off everyone who disagrees with them.

When Ari Fleischer (probably misspelled his name there) stated that people needed to watch what they were saying, that indicated to me that we have folks in the administration who aren't too keen on hearing anything from the opposition.

They've heard the opposition. Now they're running a war. They have better things to do than keep tabs on whoever's spelling out words with their naked bodies.

some statements from people within the Bush administration indicate they'd just love the opportunity to do so.

Maybe to you. Not that you're at all biased towards thinking that way.

I hope that helps explain why I'm rather wary of those beating the war drums these days.

Oh, perfectly</i
Re: ah, we have clarification. Good.
They've heard the opposition. Now they're running a war. They have better things to do than keep tabs on whoever's spelling out words with their naked bodies.

Fleischer's comments were made at least a month ago.

As for bias, I can only base my opinion on the things I see around me, much like you. Who knows, perhaps if I were to see the dreaded building of anti-American sentiment, I'd form an opinion that the people who so disgust you were using their freedoms of speech and thought to point out things they believed were wrong with this country because they want to show their love for America by making it a better place for everyone.
oh, one final thought on bias...
Alli, the reason I think we will never see eye to eye on these issues is because of bias. You claim I am biased against the current administration. You're quite correct. I claim you are biased in their favor. In such cases, I don't have to "take someone's words" for what a situation truly is. I have to read their words and do my best to make a wild guess at what the neutral position might be.

I think it's best if I end my participation in this conversation -- there's a greater chance that all of the members of the SDJ steering committee will refocus their efforts to getting Jack and Sam together in a romantic relationship for season 7 than there is that we'll change each others' minds on this issue.
Re: oh, one final thought on bias...
I have to read their words and do my best to make a wild guess at what the neutral position might be.

Wild is the word...

I think it's best if I end my participation in this conversation

Yeah, that's probably a good idea.
Re: ah, we have clarification. Good.
Who knows, perhaps if I were to see the dreaded building of anti-American sentiment, I'd form an opinion that the people who so disgust you were using their freedoms of speech and thought to point out things they believed were wrong with this country because they want to show their love for America by making it a better place for everyone.

*sarcasm on* Yeah, and the SDJ were just trying to use their powers of free speech and thought to make the show more enjoyable for everyone who watches it *sarcasm off